Homa Wong vs. Robert Trudell - Redwood Shores, CA vs. Mesa, AZ - U1850 Singles - 31st Annual Golden State Open - 2005

Homa Wong vs. Robert Trudell

31st Annual Golden State Open

Redwood Shores, CA vs. Mesa, AZ

Under 1850 Singles Preliminary Round Robin Group

Table Tennis Match Video

The Tice Valley Community Gym

2055 Tice Valley Blvd.

Walnut Creek, California

11 June 2005

Homa Wong serves to Robert Trudell in the U1850 Singles RR Group

Homa Wong vs. Robert Trudell - wmv Video Part 1- (34 Mbytes, Length 6:09)

Robert Trudell vs. Homa Wong - wmv Video Part 2- (21 Mbytes, Length 3:48)

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Homa penhold loops.

Rob counter-block kills Homa's slam.

Homa serves.

Rob backhand loops off the table.

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Homa

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Hi All,

Table Tennis gives a lot to stress to your knees. As I know, in the old day, member of China National Team all have knees problem. Table Tennis's quick start and stop, and the side movement are just too much for your knees to handle.

So, what kind of physical training you do to strengthen your knees? And do you do any message (how) or action to protect your knees? How about during training?

I started Table Tennis 20 years ago, when I was 7 or 8. When I was 17~19, my knees were injured because of over exercise (I used to play Basketball and then Table Tennis straight for 8 hours). Back then, my knees were so bad that after I duck down, I can't stand up by myself. I got some physical therapy, and it got better. Now, I start playing Table Tennis again last Sept. And my knees starts to hurt around Feb or March. I don't want to stop table tennis because of another injury.

Please give some suggestions. Thanks.

Homa

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yea, i have the same problem, my right knee especially. My coach said some of it was to do with my stance and movement of my legs when i play a forehand, as when im transferring my weight from my right leg to left leg, i always twist my knee sort of and put all the pressure on my right knee.

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Homa,

You might consider seeing a Physical Therapist. I blew out my ACL a few years ago (indoor soccer). During rehab, they gave me lots of different excercises that strengthened the muscles supporting my knee. Assuming you have no significant existing damage (ligaments or miniscus) they could help significantly.

A PT should be able to isolate the specific execises you'll need.

bes

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The best thing for you is to start taking supplements based on gluckosamine and condroine. Those 2 together with vitamine C are naturally found as substances in human joints and are lubricating them. With age (and excesive training) human capability to produce them is reduced and that it why it is really necessary for people who train a lot to take those food supplements on regular basis. I had a terrible knee injury (broken patella) and was thinking that could have problems with running and sport in general, but luckly I recovered completely and these supplement are of a great help for me.

They are 100 % natural and safe for human body. You will start feeling better in 2 weeks and will hacve no pain at all. 80% of people who took them expressed great improvement and releife from pain.

One example of such a product is Flex-a-min produced by Natural Wealth or Elasty Joint by ????? (sorry do not remeber).

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Thanks everyone

Homa

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kresimir wrote:

The best thing for you is to start taking supplements based on gluckosamine and condroine.

do u mean chondrotine? is Flex-A-Min a prescription drug?

Thanks

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Yura, I recon the right spelling is chondroitine. Here (in Croatia) one may purchuase Flex-A-Min without doctor's prescription. If you can not find it in Canada I am sure you can find other brand's products, such as Muscletech (Made in Canada), Universal Nutritions....

More tips: I can not emphasise enough the importance of warming up and light stretching (especially after weight training sessions)! If you happen to suffer a slight injury to one of the joints you may do what FC Arsenal's club medic does, a so called cold-hot treatment. You treat injured part with cold water (15 sec) and right after with hot water (15 sec) for 5-10 min. It helps speeding up the blood circulation and the body heals itself. This seems to be a very efective recovery method and you may treat your legs like this under shower after long training sessions.

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Kresimir, I really appreciate. followed by your advice, I just bought "Glucosamine,Chondroitin&MSM". I didn't find the medicine you recommended, since this one has the right ingredient, I think it will help too. Thanks again.

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For sure it will. Follow the usage instructions and report me back in 2-3 weeks. It is really nice feeling when you get up in the morning and do not hear all those nasty creeking sound coming from your joints.

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just inject heroin

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yulske wrote:

just inject heroin

I tried a lot before. Really no use for my knees, and only made me sleepy.

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Yulske, you must know that with you teenagers nkees are still in good shape, but wait till you reach our age (~30). I am sure you will appriciate this kind of advices more.

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yeah, but....ill be asking that adivice in like 15 years...

so until then...

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I think there is supposed to be a proper way to run in order not to ruin your knees...

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shoes play a big part in it, good running technique is important too....

i learned about all this when i was a 100m sprinter and long jumper

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never buy cheap table tennis shoes

they will DESTROY your knees in the long run

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how does the cheap tabletennis shoes wreck ur knees?

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Do you have anything to report yura and homa? Any improvement?

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Thanks kresimir, no improvement so far. I am taking a medicine with Glucosamine,Chondroitin as ingredients for already 3 weeks. My right knee is more feeble now(that's probably because I'm still playing), and I have to use my hands to supprt myself even when I get out of my car. one of my friends suggests me to do icing, do u think it will help?

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I think it does help me a bit.

My knees currently is about the same as when I start taking the pills. i.e, the knees still have a craking sound when I duck (but I think the sound is not as loud as it was). Also, it doesn't hurt during the session.

Considering I am training pretty hard lately, I would assume my knees would get worst.

I'm taking the pill and doing acupuncture together. I think both helps.

Again, thanks for the information. Much appreciated. I'll keep testing and see how it goes.
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i use ice on the knee 10 min gentile massage with the ice (from the refrigerator) and after that another 15 min massage with diclofenac gel, before sleeping and i find it wery relaxing for the knee

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and i use Celebrex (made by pfizer) 1 every day in the morning

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now my knee hurts too. Just went to see orthopedic and was told need physical therapy and must wear knee support specially for sports while playing table tennis. He also gave me some supplements and celebrex too.

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I was having problem with my knees and back pain. Went for treatment called Panabaa Release (check the site at http://www.panabaa.com/ ) It involves finding your tense muscles and releasing the tension so that you stay loose and can move easily.

Since then my knees and back have been much much better - no aching at night and no pain during the day. What a relief! I was a bit sceptical but I've got to say it has worked for me - which is pretty good since I'm a defender and still a bit heavy and my knees and back are probably getting a bit of a pounding the way I play!

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gotta lose weight to reduce strain on knees,

i had a knee problem and went to the physio, she gave me lots of exercises to strengthen the muscles protecting your knee, e.g. do a 1/3 squat with your back leaning on the wall and stay in that position as long as possible. you can feel your inner thigh muscles leading to the knee really straining, its excellent

and stretching.

as for pills etc, no idea, im only 19, hehehhe

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ssiew968 wrote:

what supplements?
how about loosing kg?

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Homa wrote:

Hi All,

Please give some suggestions. Thanks.

Homa

I'd be careful not to stomp when hitting the ball.

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*The 31th Annual*
Golden State Table Tennis Open Tournament

June 11-12, 2005
at
Tice Valley Community Gym, Walnut Creek

and the Winners are:

Event	Champion	2nd Place	3rd Place/SemiFinalist	4th Place/SemiFinalist
Open Singles	Stefan Feth	Khoa Nguyen	*Freddie Gabriel*	Barney Reed Jr.
Women	*Atha Fong*	Collen Lee	Stephanie Chow	Fumi Christensen
Under 2450	*Freddie Gabriel*	Yong Ren	Anh Tuan Nguyen	Martin Kosan
Under 2300	*Peter Zajac*	Quan Huynh	James Therriault	Guang-Kui Dong
Under 2150	*Dennis Yi*	Quan Huynh	Kevin Phung	Walter Guan
Under 2000	Terry Tam	Cheung Wong	David Rudesill	Aroni Banerjee
Open Doubles	Freddie Gabriel/Peter Zajac	Khoa Nguyen/Wei-Yang Wu	Michael Hyatt/Trevor Runyan	Kevin Au, Anh Nguyen
Juniors Under 18	Sean C. Lee	Kevin Phung	*Trevor Runyan*	Joseph Wang
Juniors Under 12	Lily Zhang	Brian Chen	*Jennifer Blaha*	Natalie Sun
3400 Doubles	Channing Chan/Johnny Huang	Stanley Sun/Victor Qui	Hung-Jen Hung/Barry Or	Terrance Chan/Jack Cheung
2800 Doubles	Mark Johnson/Lisa Liang	*Ron Buxton/Jonathan Chang*	*Rod Dorse/David Smith*	Barry Or/Nickolay Romensky
Seniors (40+)	Yong Ren	James Therriault	Bunny Lee	Peter Chen
Esquires (50+)	Peter Chen	Kock Loe	Mark Johnson	Peter Tsang
Sr. Esquires (60+)	Guang-Kui Dong	Peter Chen	Cheung Wong	*Joe Ching*
Veterans (70+)	Carlos Ortegon	*Hackie Honda*	Harriet Brin	*Ivan Majdrakoff*
Under 1850	Stanley Sun	Tri Tran	Barry Or	Matthew Faccini
Under 1700	*Terence Chan*	Stephen Adams	Chew Wong	Donald Chang
Under 1500	Kevin Lin	Umesh Kukreja	Kent Hu	Hung-Jen Hung
Under 1300	Lily Zhang	Felix Lu	David Dubose	*Barry Sia*
Under 1100	*Barry Sia*	Daniel Redden	*Ione Chan*	Annie Liu
Under 800	*Victor Kretov*	*Nissi Wusan*	*Steven Li*	Dennis Brody
Under 500	Natalie Sun	Amit Patel	*Cornelius Chan*	Hugh Harsono

(Concord Table Tennis Club members in italics)

To all the Winners, Congratulations!

To all the players who participated with the spirit of sportmanship, thank you for helping make this tournament a success and hope to see you again next year.

To all our sponsors, thank you very much for you generosity.

And to all members and non-members who gave so much of your time to helped make this tournament a success - especially those who helped to set up the gym, ran the registration/control desk and concession stand, referee matches, take down the equipment and clean up the gym - a big THANK YOU - this tournament would not have been possible without your help.

The Production Team
Tournament Director: Phil Schafer
Program Design: Phil Schafer
T-Shirt Design: Rich Butler
Logistics/Setup/Take down: Phil Schafer, Ron Buxton, Hackie Honda, Phil Hudson, David Hanson, Terrance Chan, Bill Lui, Dennis Lui, Do Tran, Anil Dhupelia, Fran Guidry, Henry Chan, Ione Chan, Yau-Man Chan
Operations/Control Desk/Check-In/Cashier/Announcer: Michael Boot, Marty Buxton, Jessica Yick, Henry Chan, Cornelius Chan, Ione Chan, Penelope Chan, Mark Copeland, Phil Hudson, Yau-Man Chan
Referee/Umpires: Joseph Yick (Tournament Referee), Saul Weinstein, Yelena Karshtedt, Irina Borisova, Michael Boot, Mark Copeland, Phil Schafer
Concession/T-Shirt Sales: Ricki Schafer, Jennifer Chan, Penelope Chan, Ione Chan, Jessica Yick, Cornelius Chan
Photographers: Joe Holman, Kingston Gee

Nguyen, Han V.

Golden State Open

Rating before tournament: 0 (adjusted to 1740)

Rating after tournament: 1731

Rating change: 1731

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Event
Results

Score

Rating +/-

Wins

Losses

Trudell, Robert (1811) complete history

9,7,-5,8 -5

Tesar, Barry (1839) complete history

-11,7,5,6 -4

RESULTS FOR: Wong, Homa

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Tournament	Date	Rating			Matches	Record
		Before	After	+/-
Sacramento Winter Open	2/26/2005	0	1561	1561	8	3 - 5

Trudell, Robert

Golden State Open

Rating before tournament: 1811

Rating after tournament: 1772

Rating change: -39

RESULTS FOR: Trudell, Robert

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Tournament	Date	Rating			Matches	Record
Tournament	Date	Before	After	+/-	Matches	Record
Grand Canyon State Summer Games	6/4/2005	1803	1812	9	5	3 - 2
Arizona Closed	4/17/2005	1819	1803	-16	11	5 - 6
Grand Canyon State Winter Games	3/13/2005	1853	1819	-34	11	7 - 4
Arizona Open	2/20/2005	1846	1853	7	13	8 - 5
2004 USA Nationals Championships	12/18/2004	1814	1846	32	8	7 - 1
Valley of the Sun Open	12/5/2004	1744	1814	70	22	13 - 9
Phoenix Open	10/24/2004	1655	1744	89	20	12 - 8
SoCal Open	10/10/2004	1650	1655	5	9	5 - 4
Arizona Sizzler Open	8/15/2004	1654	1650	-4	12	6 - 6
Grand Canyon State Games	6/20/2004	1611	1654	43	7	3 - 4
Best of the West Open	6/13/2004	1627	1611	-16	7	2 - 5
Arizona Closed	4/25/2004	1633	1627	-6	7	5 - 2
Grand Canyon State Games	3/13/2004	1632	1633	1	4	3 - 1
Arizona Open	2/15/2004	1633	1632	-1	8	7 - 1
Valley of the Sun Open	11/30/2003	1615	1633	18	4	4 - 0
Grand Canyon State 2003 Summer Games	6/22/2003	1628	1615	-13	3	1 - 2
Arizona Sizzler	5/25/2003	1741	1628	-113	5	0 - 5
Arizona Open	3/30/2002	1744	1741	-3	3	2 - 1
The 2001 Outpost Open	11/18/2001	1752	1744	-8	3	1 - 2
Best of the West	10/20/2001	1740	1752	12	4	4 - 0
6th Lake Havasu Open - AZ	9/16/2001	1811	1740	-71	9	2 - 7
Grand Canyon State Games	6/16/2001	1785	1811	26	5	3 - 2
2001 Arizona Open	3/25/2001	1730	1785	55	5	5 - 0
Grand Canyon State Games	3/3/2001	1751	1730	-21	6	2 - 4
Grand Canyon State Games	6/17/2000	1830	1751	-79	3	0 - 3
AZ State Championship Pt. 2	6/16/2000	1816	1830	14	3	3 - 0
Golden State Open	5/28/2000	1831	1816	-15	5	0 - 5
Eastern Open on the No. Amer Tour	5/14/2000	1877	1831	-46	13	3 - 10
3rd Annual Maryland Medallion Championsh	5/6/2000	1899	1877	-22	11	9 - 2
Arizona State Championships	4/22/2000	1934	1899	-35	5	2 - 3
2000 Millennium Madness Open	3/13/2000	1924	1934	10	12	9 - 3
Arizona Open	2/27/2000	1946	1924	-22	7	5 - 2
US Nationals	12/19/1999	1861	1946	85	22	12 - 10
Valley of the Sun Open	12/4/1999	1813	1861	48	15	10 - 5
TT&M Fall Open	10/24/1999	1822	1813	-9	9	6 - 3
Lake Havasu Open	9/19/1999	1821	1822	1	2	1 - 1
Teams and More Open	8/29/1999	1815	1821	6	6	4 - 2
Arizona Sizzler Giant RR	7/31/1999	1799	1815	16	9	5 - 4
Grand Canyon State Games	6/20/1999	1684	1799	115	10	7 - 3
Arizona State Championship	4/25/1999	1636	1684	48	5	5 - 0
Colorado River Open	3/28/1999	845	1486	641	6	4 - 2
Arizona Open	3/21/1999	1639	1633	-6	3	1 - 2
Valley of the Sun Open	12/6/1998	1723	1639	-84	9	3 - 6
TT&M Fall Open	10/25/1998	1823	1723	-100	4	2 - 2
Lake Havasu Open	9/20/1998	1874	1823	-51	5	2 - 3
Golden State Open	5/24/1998	1849	1874	25	8	3 - 5
Arizona State Championship	5/17/1998	1853	1849	-4	6	4 - 2
Colorado River Open	3/29/1998	1860	1853	-7	8	6 - 2
1998 Arizona Open	2/22/1998	1846	1860	14	8	5 - 3
1997 Valley of the Sun Open	12/7/1997	1928	1846	-82	3	0 - 3
Lake Havasu	9/21/1997	1932	1928	-4	3	2 - 1
1997 Arizona Open Sizzler	8/3/1997	1967	1932	-35	5	3 - 2
U.S. Open	7/6/1997	1940	1967	27	13	6 - 7
23rd Annual Golden State Open	5/25/1997	1956	1940	-16	10	5 - 5
Tucson Open	5/18/1997	1948	1956	8	4	4 - 0
1997 Arizona Closed	4/26/1997	1930	1948	18	8	7 - 1
1997 Arizona Open	2/23/1997	1946	1930	-16	3	2 - 1
Arizona Open Winter Warm-up	12/8/1996	1936	1946	10	10	8 - 2
U.S. Open Team Championships	12/1/1996	1871	1936	65	15	6 - 9
1996 Tucson Invitational	10/27/1996	1874	1871	-3	3	2 - 1
Lake Havasu Open TTT	9/22/1996	1850	1874	24	9	8 - 1
Arizona Sizzle Open	8/18/1996	1857	1850	-7	3	2 - 1
California State Open	6/23/1996	1851	1857	6	4	1 - 3
1996 Tucson Open TTT	6/15/1996	1851	1851	0	5	4 - 1
Arizona Closed	4/21/1996	1846	1851	5	10	8 - 2
Arizona Open TTT	2/18/1996	1838	1846	8	9	7 - 2
USATT National Championships	12/18/1995	1942	1838	-104	18	5 - 13
Arizona Valley of the Sun Open	12/3/1995	1795	1942	147	11	11 - 0
Rich Livingston Memorial	9/3/1995	1811	1795	-16	4	0 - 4
AZ Summer Classic (Closed)	8/13/1995	1835	1811	-24	6	3 - 3
1995 Golden State Open	5/28/1995	1857	1835	-22	4	0 - 4
Arizona Closed TTT	4/23/1995	1872	1857	-15	6	4 - 2
Arizona Open TTT	3/5/1995	1790	1872	82	7	5 - 2
Dr. Wang Chinese New Year Open	2/5/1995	1803	1790	-13	4	0 - 4
Valley of the Sun Open TTT	12/4/1994	1716	1805	89	9	8 - 1
1994 Summer Classic	8/21/1994	1731	1716	-15	10	6 - 4
US Open	7/4/1994	1703	1731	28	6	5 - 1
West Covina 1994 Open	6/5/1994	1706	1703	-3	9	4 - 5
Arizona Closed	4/24/1994	1658	1706	48	7	4 - 3
Rialto Spring Open	4/9/1994	1635	1658	23	8	3 - 5
1994 Chinese New Year All Star	3/20/1994	1631	1635	4	6	2 - 4
Arizona Open	2/20/1994	1721	1631	-90	9	2 - 7

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Arizona Table Tennis Online

June 11-12, 2005 at Tice Valley Community Gym, Walnut Creek

sponsored by Butterfly and Paddle Palace

and the Winners are:

Nguyen, Han V.

RESULTS FOR: Wong, Homa

Trudell, Robert

RESULTS FOR: Trudell, Robert

June 11-12, 2005
at
Tice Valley Community Gym, Walnut Creek