Robert Trudell vs. Ma Mankit
2005 Grand Canyon State Winter Games
Under-2000 Singles - Giant Round Robin Group
Table Tennis Video
ARCH - 1550 W. Colter Street
Phoenix, Arizona
12 March 2005
Ma Mankit hits a forehand with his inverted rubber.
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Ma Mankit chops with his longpips on his backhand side. (Long pips reverse whatever the incoming spin is. Topspin come back as bottomspin and bottom spin comes back as top.)
| Match Comments - Click here to enter comments |
| Van Savell (vanjr
(vanjr1)) asks:
I have a question for you or others who may know. Would it be better to serve short to a defender so they can't "get back into position" or better to serve long so you can open up sooner? Most serves by both players seemed more on the long side. thanx in advance... Van Savell |
| Marco Borrillo answers:
when your opponent has long pips, it is often good to serve long fast dead balls. M |
| Rob Trudell answers Van Savell:
> I have a question for you or others who may know. Would it be better to serve short to a defender so they can't "get back into position" or better to serve long so you can open up sooner? Most serves by both players seemed more on the long side. Hi Van, I've been experimenting with my serves to "Kit" lately. It's always been difficult for me to beat him when he's playing with long pips even when I'm playing my best. A couple months ago he had switched to short pips on his backhand and I found a point that I could win every time. It was sort of like shooting fish in a barrel and so embarrassingly easy to win that I sometimes felt guilty using the sequence. I served a short backhand no-spin ball to his forehand and then ripped a spinny backhand loop to his backhand. Kit didn't miss some of those balls -- he missed all of them. When he switched back to the long pips I kept trying that short no-spin to his forehand followed by a backhand loop open to his backhand and the shot doesn't get through his defense anymore and when it comes back to me it's loaded with my own spin variations. In this match I tried giving him some long spinny serves which he missed quite a few of. Maybe some of that is because he got used to me serving no-spin balls and wasn't paying close attention. For the most part, I like to deal with a spinny ball and operate on instinct rather than thinking much. With long pips, it seems to help me if I can create a few patterns that I become familiar with, so rather than thinking and guessing about what kind of spin is on the ball, I just react. When you ask what’s better to serve to a defender, I guess it depends on what type of ball the server likes to work with. --Rob |
| Van replies:
Thanx for the replies. When you know who you play, if certainly does affect how you play. I was asking mainly due to my experience as a backhand defender (I didn't realize he was playing with LP from watching the video). Certainly long serves of any type (top, nospin or underspin) give me trouble to my BH LP side-but I do know that having no to very few short serves wouldn't allow me to stay back. I of course am interested to see how others may play me and how I may play another bh defender should I ever actually run into one... Van Savell |
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Grand Canyon State Winter Games
Rating before tournament: 1818
Rating after tournament: 1828
Rating change: 10
see complete history for Ma, Mankit
| Event |
Results |
Score |
Rating +/- |
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| Wins | |||||
| 14,3,1,r,7,11 |
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8,6,12,6 | 3 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
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9,-9,4,2,7 | 2 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
7,7,7,5 | 4 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
-8,-1,8,6,7,8 | 10 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
5,4,5,9 | 2 | ||
| Losses | |||||
| 14,3,1,r,7,11 |
|
7,5,-8,11,-9,2 | -1 | ||
| 14,3,1,r,7,11 |
|
-8,6,9,7,5 | -2 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
-3,8,-10,9,-9,3,10 | -8 | ||
Grand Canyon State Winter Games
Rating before tournament: 1853
Rating after tournament: 1819
Rating change: -34
see complete history for Trudell, Robert
| Event |
Results |
Score |
Rating +/- |
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| Wins | |||||
| 16,1,1,r,5,11 |
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12,5,6 | 2 | ||
| 16,1,1,r,5,11 |
|
5,-11,6,3 | 0 | ||
| 16,1,1,r,5,11 |
|
-9,10,5,6 | 0 | ||
| 16,1,1,r,5,11 |
|
-7,6,6,12 | 2 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
-10,-7,2,8,7 | 0 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
6,-9,8,4,7 | 7 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
3,-9,9,5,11 | 2 | ||
| Losses | |||||
| 14,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
9,5,-10,1,13 | -7 | ||
| 14,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
3,9,9,6 | -0 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
|
-8,-1,8,6,7,8 | -10 | ||
| 4,1,1,r,7,11 |
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-13,4,5,12,-6,11 | -30 | ||
2005 Grand Canyon
State Games - Results and Medal Winner Photos
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